I DELETED THE LAST ONE 'CAUSE IT TURNED TO SHIT. Don't continue that argument on this topic pls. k?
I am a strong believer in vegetarianism. We do not physically need the meat to survive. I myself have been a vegetarian for a few years of my life (not at the moment for other reasons) and I really believe that killing animals for their meat is wrong.
I've seen a lot of horrible footage of meat producing factorys and they have really opened my eyes. Also, I look at my dogs and my cat (i adore my pets) and think that they have feelings, they think, they eat. They are no more or less alive than I am, so what gives me the right to say that they can't live.
The conditions for most animals that are going to be slaughtered are disgusting (I keep nearly typing discusting and it's pissing me off). Chickens kept in a small cage with about 6 or 7 others in there, no room to move, just forced to eat and excrete on eachother until they get killed for their meat. Chicks falling down shoots in the hundreds to be killed when they get to an end. Calves hung upside down and going along a conveyer belt to have their throats sliced open, STILL alive.
Worst I've probably seen that actually brought me to tears was a calve fighting for it's life against 3 men. They tasered it so it was weaker, jabbed a screwdriver into it's neck and ripped it's throat open. It was repulsive.
Animals don't deserve it, they have a right to life as much as we do. A lot of people are happy with human rights, the ability to vote, to do whatever they like. But shouldn't animals at least have the right to live?
I work at a zoo, I STRONGLY believe in conservation works. Animals deserve to exist, they managed to get to this stage through their anscestors, through natural selection and evolution. I don't think we can deny them it, it's unfair.
Thoughts? Questions? Comments?
I'm all ears (Honestly, give me any shit about "this is paramore site, I'm a dick, so fancy complaining about this topic" or "VOTE PARAMORE NOW!!" or even "why talk about this?" I will honestly argue you to nothing. This is a discussion board for Paramore fans, not a fan board to discuss Paramore. Read the ground rules before you try being clever).
@Dick
N2O is only a minority but it does the most damage. If the number increases we'll be having mega issues.
@Matt,
I knew about Freon and other chlorofluorocarbons (CFC's)
so I did some research. (minimal)
Most people know nitrous oxide as the laughing gas that dentists reserve for drill-phobic patients. But once it enters the atmosphere, N2O is no laughing matter. New calculations indicate that it has risen to become the leading threat to the future integrity of stratospheric ozone, Earths protective shield against the suns harmful ultraviolet rays.
Currently, Freon and other chlorofluorocarbons or CFCs are the leading source of ozone thinning, especially in the hole that forms annually over Antarctica.
I don't think it's the leading cause yet, but as CFC's and Freon are slowly phased out it will be.
So i agree
@Dick
yes.
It depletes Ozone.
"Nitrous oxide also causes ozone depletion. A new study suggests that N2O emission currently is the single most important ozone-depleting substance (ODS) emission and is expected to remain the largest throughout the 21st century"
@violet cullen i never said i didn't care about the enviorment. have you ever heard of the global cooling myth of the 70's. i was not there of course, but back in the 70's, people back then believed that we were destroying the earth because of global cooling. it was the exact same hype as global warming nowadays. that's a fact.
i do care about my enviornment. i think that it is important to recycle and conserve our fossil fuels and try to find clean energy (as long as it's within reason). i just believe that the myth of global warming is taking it to far.
thanks for your time
I really want to become a vegetarian..
But Iv'e been a meat eater my whole life, and I think it would be extremely hard.
Can you give me any tips on how to stay on track?
and how you did it?
thanks(:
@marebear
Do you not care about the enviorment? We are slowly destroying this planet, the only one we can live on. Ripping down forests, destroying the ozone layer, and letting fossil fuels and practical posion into our eco system.
The plus side to not eating meat is that the fossil fuels needed to produce meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free diet is 3 times more. Imagine how much healthier this planet will be.
Its not hippie bs. Unless thats what you call science.
@badger man
Some abuse? Thats an understatement. Honestly, there is not much more of a humane way to kill something. Its still losing a life that innocent and human like, whether we're natural born meat eaters or not.
About 3/4 of the meat industry keeps their animals in contained, over crowded, unsanitary, and unsafe spaces. They're packed in places so tight that chickens do not have enough room to spread even half their wingspan.
Dont get me started on the killing. They hang cows upside down and slit their throats open while still alive. Sometimes they're kicked till dead, limbs are chopped off, beaten, ect.
Matt,
You're saying laughing gas is a bigger danger to the ozone than CO2?
I'm asking this again to see if we're are on the same page.
i totally agree. i'm vegetarian since i was 5years old and i'm 17now. and i'll stay vegetarian.
i think animals deserve a peaceful life! not a life in which peolple abuse them and let them suffer torment.
even the meat is organic the animals are caved in and i feel so sorry for them. :(
what some humans do with animals is just disgusting and cruel! animals deserve a life. more then people who abuse them 'cause animals are not able to bridle. and that's terrible.:(
the human body doesn't need the meat so bad. and so i think it's better to do without meat then to know that the animal on your plate was tormented.
mostly i'm a 'tolerant' vegetarian, it's okay for me when my friends don't mind that the thing they're eating at the moment was alive or not but i aways try to convince them to eat lesser meat and at least organic meat not mass husbandry-meat.
but i hate people who say 'hey they're just animals'! -.-'
no. they're more! they're creatures as humans.
i just hope that more and more people realize that animals deserve a life too! as we do.
and being a vegetarian is better for the whole environment. :)
Why would you watch videos like that in the first place? I mean, if you hate animals being killed, why would you want to watch it happen. It seems a little messed up to me.
and to the people arguing about global warning, i'm sorry, but i truly believe that's it's nothing more than some hippie bullshit. sorry to burst your bubble :(
i agree, some of the conditions animals are kept in is absolutely disgusting. i believe that we should treat animals humanely...to a point.
here's the thing (and if you're an athiest, well, this doesn't really apply to you): why did god, no matter what god you believe in, why did he create animals? i'm a christian, and i believe that when god created this earth, he gave us animals to consume. not to treat as sacred, not to have as pets, or to be locked up in a zoo. but for protein, necessary to survive
if you want to think that everyone should be a vegetarian, and all animals should be treated like humans, go ahead and believe that, it's your right. but i believe animals were made to be eaten. sorry.
You make a lot of generalisations in your argument. Yes there is some animal abuse in the farming industry but the vast majority of farms treat cattle and other animals far better than they did several years ago.
Now i love animals, and i own a large number of pets but at the same time, we are omnivorous beings. We are designed to eat meat, but at the same time we do consume too much meat. I remember reading that two thirds of all farmland is used for cattle which will be used for meat and i believe that is far too much. I think we should cut down on meat consumption, but do i think we should become vegetarian? no.
Like i said earlier, i love animals but unfortunately they are lesser beings and we require the proteins and fats that they provide to survive. I sometimes think we put animal rights before human rights at times as you have people like the ALF blowing up laboratories and threatening to kill people who harm animals yet hundreds of thousands of people are tortured and murdered everyday and yet nobody bats an eyelid.
@Dick
No, I'm saying nitrous oxide is a bigger danger to the ozone than CO2.
It's a fact, not speculation.
kay, response to comment way down below:
You are not murdering a plant if you eat it. That's actually WHY plants have edible fruit, it's so animals will it it all, including the seeds, and then poop it out somewhere else so tat the seed can hopefully grow into a new plant.
Come on people, this is second grade stuff.
@matt,
So are you saying dentists and whipped cream (in a can) are the major cause of ozone depletion?
@Violet,
Where are you getting your info from,
Al Gore, and Michael Moore?
:)
Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect
Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels
Fossil fuels needed to produce meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free diet: 3 times more
Percentage of U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75
Percentage of U.S. topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising: 85
Number of acres of U.S. forest cleared for cropland to produce meat-centered diet: 260 million
Amount of meat imported to U.S. annually from Central and South America: 300,000,000 pounds
Percentage of Central American children under the age of five who are undernourished: 75
Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every quarter-pound of rainforest beef: 55 square feet
Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1,000 per year
@Dick
N2O is the main cause of ozone depletion.
@violet,
The major greenhouse gases are:
Water vapor, which causes about 3670 percent of the greenhouse effect; carbon dioxide (CO2), which causes 926 percent; methane (CH4), which causes 49 percent; and ozone (O3), which causes 37 percent. Clouds also affect the radiation balance, but they are composed of liquid water or ice and so have different effects on radiation from water vapor.
Ah..., we should all have our own farm :s. Even with food the 'money' moves us. And, as I've tried to say, not only animal production, but vegetable production, are destroying natural enviroments. I think resolving all of this would take many years, many, many years. But, as Violet well said, the actual human being is worried about today, not about tomorrow.
Many of the world's massive environmental problems could be solved by the reduction or elimination of meat-eating, including global warming, loss of topsoil, loss of rainforests and species extinction.
The temperature of the earth is rising. This global warming, known as "the greenhouse effect," results primarily from carbon dioxide emissions from burning fossil fuels, such as oil and natural gas. Three times more fossil fuels must be burned to produce a meat-centered diet than for a meat-free diet. If people stopped eating meat, the threat of higher world temperatures would be vastly diminished.
Trees, and especially the old-growth forests, are essential to the survival of the planet. Their destruction is a major cause of global warming and top soil loss. Both of these effects lead to diminished food production. Meat-eating is the number one driving force for the destruction of these forests. Two-hundred and sixty million acres of U.S. forestland has been cleared for cropland to produce the meat-centered diet. Fifty-five square feet of tropical rainforest is consumed to produce every quarter-pound of rainforest beef. An alarming 75% of all U.S. topsoil has been lost to date. Eighty-five percent of this loss is directly related to livestock raising.
Another devastating result of deforestation is the loss of plant and animal species. Each year 1,000 species are eliminated due to destruction of tropical rainforests for meat grazing and other uses. The rate is growing yearly.
To keep up with U.S. consumption, 300 million pounds of meat are imported annually from Central and South America. This economic incentive impels these nations to cut down their forests to make more pastureland. The short-term gain ignores the long-term, irreparable harm to the earth's ecosystem. In effect these countries are being drained of their resources to put meat on the table of Americans while 75% of all Central American children under the age of five are undernourished.
I think it's a very noble actitud to be vegetarian, really. I think you must be corageous to face alienated people, you must trust hard in your reasons to do it, you must really fight for animal's rights, you mustbe willing to change your life style, you must try to convince the other people to see that killing animals for eating isn't good, as you said, it's unfair.
I respect and admire vegetarians. I like animals, they're cool :) they're as important as us. But I can't stop eating meat. I love a lot of things that came from animals, like: hamburguer, salsage, ham, steak, and etc.
I'm not willing to change it, I don't wanna change it, I don't want to fight for animals rights (sorry, but I rather fight for the problems of Africa than this, to me is more important), so I'm not able to be a vegetarian
These are my thoughts :)
I was a vegetarian last year for almost 4 months and tho it's rewarding, t'was one of the hardest things ever. I lose huge amount of weight and now im thinking to do the same routine
@Complicated
plants live if you eat them.
Their roots occasionally still exist so just regrow.
murder is a way of life, humans are animals and we have been eating meat from the beginning of our species. as much as its wrong to be killing innocent and intelligent creatures for food and other things, its something that will always happen. i point out that not all animals are killed i such sick ways.
but i believe that even being a vegetarian is murder in a way. murder to plant life. consider that
Humans have been carnivores from the beginning of times!
Is it unfair? perhaps, but it's how we always lived.
have we become soft?
:( I put a lot of time and effort into the post i made for the other dicussion, and i didnt even get to see what other people thought of it! :L haha
@Amberlikesparamroe
VEGGIE TALES FTW xD lol
I eat chicken all the time but that's pretty much all I like.
It is sad that we kill animals.. but its a way of a human life I guess..
And I truly think that recreational killing is disgusting. What's the point of shooting a deer to hang on your wall? Or to just throw in the back woods? If you want to aim at something, use bottles, because they don't have heartbeats.
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